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FoxBat · Sep 01, 2009, 02:37 AM // 02:37

I'd still rather see them remove tournaments, then see it turn to a ghost town, then remove HB. Much less QQing that way. You can argue that HB is fun and that's in the eye of the beholder, but you can't argue that it's truly competitive, as all of the high-level HBers will disagree.

moriz · Sep 01, 2009, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

you're really strengthening the whole self deluded argument for me dude

why don't you prove it? oops, you can't.

fact: tournament support is the only thing keeping HB alive. remove it, and it dies. the format cannot survive on its own.

fact: AB is alive and well (despite having atrociously poor level of play). it does not require tournament support to stay alive. indeed, it is popular enough to have tournament support, if anet is ever inclined to add it properly.

when your favorite arena cannot even compete with AB in terms of popularity, it might be time to get out of it. of course, you can continue to delude yourself.

r0bert8841 · Sep 01, 2009, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by moriz

an AB tournament would be no less stupid than a HB tournament. it would likely be better, since the format is (surprisingly enough) better conceived and executed.

you may insert your self delusions below.

EDIT: nevermind! you've managed to insert your self delusions ABOVE! very clever of you. please, continue. it is so very fun to see you thrash around like a drowning animal.

LOL these haters never seem to stop amazing me at the stupid comments they say. AB is better executed than HB? I am sorry but if AB was actually competitve and it came down to very small details that decide the best of matches, many many flaws will be found in ab. It will consist of MMs Monks Solo capping eles and cripshot rangers. And the best part about the AB NPCs are just as stupid as Heros except you can't even micro the AB NPCs. I LOL everytime i see Kurzik Rit with 5 spirit stacked right on top of each other. And Healing Burst Monks LOL. Dude STOP TROLLING.

Talania Vulcanclaw · Sep 01, 2009, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by moriz

fact: tournament support is the only thing keeping HB alive. remove it, and it dies. the format cannot survive on its own.

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Originally Posted by moriz

why don't you prove it? oops, you can't.

Soz put your sentences back in the correct order for you

moriz · Sep 01, 2009, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by r0bert8841

LOL these haters never seem to stop amazing me at the stupid comments they say. AB is better executed than HB? I am sorry but if AB was actually competitve and it came down to very small details that decide the best of matches, many many flaws will be found in ab. It will consist of MMs Monks Solo capping eles and cripshot rangers. And the best part about the AB NPCs are just as stupid as Heros except you can't even micro the AB NPCs. I LOL everytime i see Kurzik Rit with 5 spirit stacked right on top of each other. And Healing Burst Monks LOL. Dude STOP TROLLING.

you sir, does not have the gift of foresight.

would AB still be the shithole of player quality, if it was given proper tournament support? obviously no. player quality will rise as skilled players pour in, lured in by prizes. other good players will join later on, because there are now good competition to play against.

would HB still be competitive, if tournament support is taken away (or was never given)? obviously no. very few people would find it fun to micro around retarded AI. skilled players will leave, and other players will leave from lack of competition. it will end up like AB is now, except with 1/10th the playerbase.

r0bert8841 · Sep 01, 2009, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

I'd still rather see them remove tournaments, then see it turn to a ghost town, then remove HB. Much less QQing that way. You can argue that HB is fun and that's in the eye of the beholder, but you can't argue that it's truly competitive, as all of the high-level HBers will disagree.

I find it very competitve at higher levels its but reallly competitve at watever level you are at. Because of the ladder you are most often facing someone nearly as good as you and they are often very close. Thats wat makes it so much fun, that rush of adrenaline you get after winning a very close match to someone just as good as you. And many people would not quit if tournys were removed because their is still a ladder and still the only format you don't need other people.

slowerpoke · Sep 01, 2009, 02:50 AM // 02:50

I think TA would have been better suited to monthlies and a ladder than HBs. Not to say it would have turned out better, i mean it would probably have ended up as hb/ta did, and that's largely neglected.

evenfall · Sep 01, 2009, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by moriz

don't believe me? let's imagine HB without tournament support shall we? close your eyes and imagine. what do you see? i see an empty outpost.

HB starts out without rewards. There was no commander title, just some minimal balthazar faction. Both AT and the commander title were added ~half a year later.
It is popular enough at that time to have ~50 consecutive match wins without any no opposing party.

Talania Vulcanclaw · Sep 01, 2009, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by moriz

you sir, does not have the gift of foresight.

would AB still be the shithole of player quality, if it was given proper tournament support? obviously no. player quality will rise as skilled players pour in, lured in by prizes. other good players will join later on, because there are now good competition to play against.

would HB still be competitive, if tournament support is taken away (or was never given)? obviously no. very few people would find it fun to micro around retarded AI. skilled players will leave, and other players will leave from lack of competition. it will end up like AB is now, except with 1/10th the playerbase.

So your point is that removing a competitive aspect from a competitive PvP Format makes it less competitive?

And you're saying that if you add this competitive aspect to a different competitive Format, that will become more competitive.

You sir are a genius!....Sure wish I had this gift of foresight....

moriz · Sep 01, 2009, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by evenfall

HB starts out without rewards. There is no commander title, just some minimal balthazar faction. Both AT and the commander title were added ~half a year later.

then let's imagine if anet DIDN'T and AT to HB. heck, let's assume anet didn't even add the ladder initially. where would it be now? i'd say completely dead. people will play a new format when it comes out purely for the novelty of it. frankly, i doubt HB is the kind of arena that will actually keep players there.

moriz · Sep 01, 2009, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

So your point is that removing a competitive aspect from a competitive PvP Format makes it less competitive?

And you're saying that if you add this competitive aspect to a different competitive Format, that will become more competitive.

You sir are a genius!

i'm saying that HB does not deserve tournament support to begin with, because it is not strong enough without it for it to survive.

you sir are a genius at comprehension. not.

Talania Vulcanclaw · Sep 01, 2009, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by moriz

people will play a new format when it comes out purely for the novelty of it.

ABsolutely agreed, you heard it right here, Thankyou for this wonderful admission.

This kinda goes against the excitement of this new format we're deleting HB and TA for. Go ahead worm your way out of that with your mindless bullshit insults.

r0bert8841 · Sep 01, 2009, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by moriz

you sir, does not have the gift of foresight.

would AB still be the shithole of player quality, if it was given proper tournament support? obviously no. player quality will rise as skilled players pour in, lured in by prizes. other good players will join later on, because there are now good competition to play against.

would HB still be competitive, if tournament support is taken away (or was never given)? obviously no. very few people would find it fun to micro around retarded AI. skilled players will leave, and other players will leave from lack of competition. it will end up like AB is now, except with 1/10th the playerbase.

I do not have the gift of Foresight but neither do you. But what I do have is experience and the same things happen with every format. If AB were overrun with skilled players all the current players would get frustrated at constantly losing and move on to JQ/FA because if they actually were any good at pvp they'd be doing another format. Ab will also be run over by meta builds, just like every other format. Now can I ask you why dont PvE'rs TA? HA? HB? GVG? because getting frustrated with losing and meta builds that don't allow them to be creative drive them away. Why wouldn't the same happen to AB? And you would have no idea what would happen if tournament support was removed from HB. I know many players who don't even do tournaments. I for one only do tournaments when one comes up when I am playing. Noone schedules their day around when tournaments are, they just play their ussual times and if a tourny is at that time they play it but if its not they just HB. People HB because it is a place to play so competitive pvp without relying on stupid teammates or spending an hour making a group. Not for the rewards.

DreamWind · Sep 01, 2009, 02:58 AM // 02:58

I still find it funny that people are defending HB. The BEST defense you can possibly have for the format is "it is a mostly dead format that people only go to farm and it would be good IF they completely removed a map and a class from the game and if AI was smarter". Sounds like a great defense.

If Anet is removing HB for shits and giggles, I agree it makes no sense. But as it stands now they have admitted that they can no longer fix the format and are using its removal for a new and hopefully improved format.

Of course...I am a person who would remove all of PvE if it meant more focus on PvP, so I'm sure my post will be taken with a grain.

Talania Vulcanclaw · Sep 01, 2009, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

I still find it funny that people are defending HB. The BEST defense you can possibly have for the format is "it is a mostly dead format that people only go to farm and it would be good IF they completely removed a map and a class from the game and if AI was smarter". Sounds like a great defense.

If Anet is removing HB for shits and giggles, I agree it makes no sense. But as it stands now they have admitted that they can no longer fix the format and are using its removal for a new and hopefully improved format.

Of course...I am a person who would remove all of PvE if it meant more focus on PvP, so I'm sure my post will be taken with a grain.

No thats the defense you just made up. If not then quote it.

moriz · Sep 01, 2009, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by r0bert8841

I do not have the gift of Foresight but neither do you. But what I do have is experience and the same things happen with every format. If AB were overrun with skilled players all the current players would get frustrated at constantly losing and move on to JQ/FA because if they actually were any good at pvp they'd be doing another format. Ab will also be run over by meta builds, just like every other format. Now can I ask you why dont PvE'rs TA? HA? HB? GVG? because getting frustrated with losing and meta builds that don't allow them to be creative drive them away. Why wouldn't the same happen to AB? And you would have no idea what would happen if tournament support was removed from HB. I know many players who don't even do tournaments. I for one only do tournaments when one comes up when I am playing. Noone schedules their day around when tournaments are, they just play their ussual times and if a tourny is at that time they play it but if its not they just HB. People HB because it is a place to play so competitive pvp without relying on stupid teammates or spending an hour making a group. Not for the rewards.

if the current AB arena is left alone, with a ladder+tournament system built on top of it (as in, two arenas effectively. one is what we have now, the other allows full 12 man teams or something similar), then what you said simply won't happen. casual players will continue to play the casual form of AB. once they get enough guildies, they form up and go into the ladder/tournament form of AB. it's the best of both worlds, and it's also easy to implement. all the groundworks for it is already in place.

r0bert8841 · Sep 01, 2009, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by moriz

then let's imagine if anet DIDN'T and AT to HB. heck, let's assume anet didn't even add the ladder initially. where would it be now? i'd say completely dead. people will play a new format when it comes out purely for the novelty of it. frankly, i doubt HB is the kind of arena that will actually keep players there.

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you sir, does not have the gift of foresight.

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i'm saying that HB does not deserve tournament support to begin with, because it is not strong enough without it for it to survive.

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you sir, does not have the gift of foresight.

I am not even going to bother with you moriz I am just going to do what taliana's doing